tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post7821125687563331686..comments2022-04-01T03:51:40.174-07:00Comments on The COMICS INTERPRETER : Booklist: Spotlight on Graphic Novels (and then things get really ugly)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-37100286864452495732008-04-03T16:39:00.000-07:002008-04-03T16:39:00.000-07:00((Yeah the hive joke was poking fun at your percep...((Yeah the hive joke was poking fun at your perception of being persecuted by a clique))<BR/><BR/>Not "persecuted" but as I said everyone who's commented here are friends with one another.<BR/><BR/>"I know comics. I know how to draw and tell stories. I am more qualified than you to say wether or not Bak has something to offer."<BR/><BR/>Wow! You have a high opinion of yourself. This is the old "no one can criticize artists except other artists unless of course they say something good and/or help generate some publicity" argument that leads to the sort of circle jerk you see here. And I didn't say the guy has nothing to offer.<BR/><BR/>Gee, I wonder if you'll judge me or my work based on this little disagreement, or what some drunken friend tells you second hand? I bet you will. *buzz buzz*robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-92166399948496297642008-03-27T15:25:00.000-07:002008-03-27T15:25:00.000-07:00Yeah the hive joke was poking fun at your percepti...Yeah the hive joke was poking fun at your perception of being persecuted by a clique<BR/><BR/>The point was this. Bak is a talented artist. students can learn from him. You post a pissy remark about his lack of qualification on the internet. I know comics. I know how to draw and tell stories. I am more qualified than you to say wether or not Bak has something to offer. The students learning experience has nothing to do with how Bak was a dick to you at a convention. Your complaint is not validated by the fact that Bak has a friend and admirer who's boreed enough to argue with you about it on the internet.<BR/><BR/>That is the pointAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-36929833774612205082008-03-27T10:41:00.000-07:002008-03-27T10:41:00.000-07:00I was gonna let this end on that pleasantly innocu...I was gonna let this end on that pleasantly innocuous note. I'm not sure what point was made, but perhaps your grandstanding solidified your friendship (having a common enemy you can bitch about over beers tends to do that). <BR/><BR/>But the bee analogy is funny because I was thinking the exact same thing the day before. It's like I poked a stick at a little hive and all the bees flew out, stingers at the ready, no one quite willing to sacrifice himself. And once the big bad interloper was repelled, back to the hive to pridefully buzz about their conquest in comfortably insular surroundings. I've dealt with hornets and far too many snakes, so I don't really mind the bees.robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-83338745315954440182008-03-26T21:18:00.000-07:002008-03-26T21:18:00.000-07:00We have called a meeting and the Hive has voted to...We have called a meeting and the Hive has voted to forgive youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-43431097691910735442008-03-26T16:54:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:54:00.000-07:00I made "juvenile" remarks about a...you're right w...I made "juvenile" remarks about a...<BR/>you're right why should I sink to his level.<BR/><BR/>And um, you're saying all the people commenting here are NOT joined at the hip? Bizarre coincidence, I suppose.robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-53618562460698533162008-03-26T15:12:00.000-07:002008-03-26T15:12:00.000-07:00Well the man is a competent artist and his comics ...Well the man is a competent artist and his comics are a better read than Hogarth's dorkily stylized figure drawing manual that inspired generations of lumpy unitard superheroes and championed by hack teachers everywhere. Any ways, I like Bak as an artist and a person so it's a reasonable standard to defend him. What standard should I use, trying as hard to defend him as as much as I do for every person in the world being unfairly criticized? You made juvenile remarks about him and I responded fairly. Blaming challenges to our opinion on cliques or some Team Indy Comics cabal is some really tired old tcj messboard b.s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-39256762465830418172008-03-26T11:32:00.000-07:002008-03-26T11:32:00.000-07:00http://www.sparkplugcomicbooks.comhttp://www.adhou...http://www.sparkplugcomicbooks.com<BR/>http://www.adhousebooks.com/adhousebooks/books.html<BR/>http://www.bodegadistribution.com/bookdetails/service_detail.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-55703368236060510962008-03-26T02:16:00.000-07:002008-03-26T02:16:00.000-07:00Nope, I wouldn't know that and would certainly tak...Nope, I wouldn't know that and would certainly take your word for it. And actually I didn't trash his work here,and I complimented it way back when he left a mini on my table and was still heavily in an Adrian Tomine phase. I just joked about the fact that relatively nascent (and more importantly, ethically-challenged) artists were already teaching classes at a respected school (but yeah, Hogarth is dead so somebody has to step up), and also that based on his schizo 'tude with me that I found him a jerk ...but then bukowski was probably a jerk after too many brews too?<BR/><BR/>And considering the guy in question himself made some totally indefensible comments publicly about at least one pretty good artist (and no this wasn't payback) I think it kinda proves how cliquish the medium is that people apply vastly different standards to friends and those they admire than to those outside their immediate circles. Probably just basic human nature and I've defended a few indefensible acquaintances as well. But blogs are relatively immediate and I wrote what I thought. And with good basis.robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-47816563514170204062008-03-26T01:30:00.000-07:002008-03-26T01:30:00.000-07:00You mean it's easier for you to believe that it mu...You mean it's easier for you to believe that it must be because Bak's my friend that I could disagree with you about his art rather than the truth - that I sought out his friendship because I'm a fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-89996767325902065452008-03-25T22:51:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:51:00.000-07:00Ouch, Ben. Yeah why apply the same standards to fr...Ouch, Ben. Yeah why apply the same standards to friends that you apply to strangers? Life's so much easier that way.robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-27417406330310037712008-03-25T22:43:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:43:00.000-07:00You are right. There is no reason to take this blo...You are right. There is no reason to take this blog seriously. But for the record Bak has two grimey testiclesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-1393024078380756382008-03-25T21:56:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:56:00.000-07:00Just an opinion tossed off in the void.I even shar...Just an opinion tossed off in the void.I even shared my own table at a convention with one of the guys mentioned for a whole weekend despite the fact that all his best pals were at the con and apparently weren’t in the sharing mood (yeah, I’m a real monster). <BR/> <BR/>By the way, I didn't say this was "journalism", just a blog and an opinion. And having met the guy, I find his "internet persona" preferable to the flesh and blood one. But this oft-used suggestion that one's "internet persona" is entirely unconnected to the "real" person is a bit of a cop out. For instance you seem to be taking something I've said on the internet fairly seriously.robert whyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14282626214018050383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-87700909628535992102008-03-25T17:36:00.000-07:002008-03-25T17:36:00.000-07:00Thanks for the plug.Thanks for the plug.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-26757663891693655612008-03-25T16:29:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:29:00.000-07:00I would love to see a book by Todd published by pa...I would love to see a book by Todd published by pantheon with Austin as the editor. I love both of their work, and their abilities, and they would both soar!Aaron Renierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670034392043644816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8230052842783910832.post-91295713150354459302008-03-25T16:23:00.000-07:002008-03-25T16:23:00.000-07:00You seem to be more offended by Baks internet pers...You seem to be more offended by Baks internet personality than his art which I would call bad journalism. I find his art beautiful with or without beer goggles. And Austins has great taste and would make a good editor<BR/><BR/>-Ben CatmullAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com